What's up with that? I have 3 blogs in the system, so I basically am getting penalized for putting more of my blogs in the system (since I now can't drop 300 cards for each of my blogs). And it would have been nice to have some sort of notice of this -- I can reciprocate any drops today on this blog since I didn't know I was getting cut off!

I meant to say I can't.

Also, this makes anyone with multiple blogs in the system pretty much unable to get to the top spots.

And if anyone is in an internet cafe dropping or at work with others -- this may be a problem for them too if anyone else is dropping from there.

How would a notice have changed anything? Now that you know the limit you can plan accordingly for tomorrow.

If you're dropping more than 300 a day, it's pretty certain that you aren't reading those blogs.

It's not a penalty, it's just our only real rational response to people creating multiple "spam blogs" and going nuts dropping a thousand + per day. Unfortunately, some legitimate users will get caught in the cross-fire.

With regard to getting to the "top spots", these are based on drops-on-you, not drops you made, so ti should still be possible (although your ability to rely on reciprocal drops will be limited).

If you have other concerns, feel free to send me a message, perhaps we can come up with non-credit ways for you to achieve the same ends.

So, for some (or even many) their blogs exists only for dropping? How sad! I have a few blogs and they all existed before Entrecard. My oldest is already 6 years old.

If entrecard didn't come then they'll still be there (except for one but that's because I don't own the domain).

Edit: Just adding this for those that might have missed it:

http://www.i-tong.com/goto/entrecardfeatures/

@notebook Really? Because I do comment on a lot of the blogs I drop on. And it takes me several hours each day to do so.

@turnip But it sure would have been nice to know. I like to reciprocate and I can't do it from this blog today. If I would have known, I would have done my inbox for all 3 accounts first.

When I am able to regularly drop 300 cards with one of my accounts, my traffic jumps tremendously. How does this effect the top spots? Well, I can't drop 300 cards from this blog now. I will have to drop only 200 per blog. I lose the extra 100 people who may go to their inbox and reciprocate from there.

I understand that spam blog thing. However, wouldn't it be easier to screen them and not let them in? Wouldn't you want the 7,000 in the system to reflect 7,000 good blogs instead of 6,000 good and 1,000 spam? I am sure people wouldn't mind having to wait a day to two to get accepted.

I have been extremely happy with Entrecard up till now which is why I just have lurked on the forums up until now. That's why I have 3 blogs in the system. It does work. Does everybody read my blog when they drop their card? No. I understand that is part of the game. Heck, I could name off at least 10 great posts that I read today (I stumbled 3 of them too). I have a fourth blog I'd love to add too but I'm not sure if its worth it now since that would drop me to 150 per blog.

I mean if we are changing the rules, why don't you make it so that blogs have to have been around 30 - 60 days first with so many posts. I can't tell you the number of blogs that I have seen in the system that haven't even changed the Welcome World message or have one post.

Phirate, I PM'd you :)

I agree I would much rather see a screening process in place. I've reported many blogs while dropping cards because it's obvious they don't deserve to be in the system. Most of them have been non english blogs, or blogs with the default post from a Wordpress install. I'd gladly wait for an approval to know the system wasn't being cheated because these blogs were never allowed to make it into the system.

I'm currently dropping from 3 accounts...not everyday, but when I have the time I try to drop as many cards in a day as I can.

I try to drop at least 100 cards per blog per day when I have the time, and yes, I do read the blogs I drop on. That's why it takes me hours to drop cards. I've got 3 other blogs, all that are quality blogs, that I was planning to add to the system, but if I do so now I jeopardize having the ability to drop my cards.

My husband was planning on adding entrecard to his two blogs, but if he does so, that would put us both in jeopardy of not being able to drop many cards.

You have to keep in mind not every account dropping from the same ip belongs to the same person. I could point out two specific people who drop from work each night from the same computer. If I sat at a desk answering phones on a 12 hour 3rd shift, I'd kill time dropping cards, too. Now if one of them drops the max cards, the other won't be able to drop any cards at all.

As with any of the changes to the status quo, this change will bother some and please others. In a rapidly growing community like Entrecard, it can be expected that modifications will occur. Unless one's main priority in participating in this community was to harvest ECs for sale, this 600 drop limit per IP will merely change how one chooses to spend their time with Entrecard. If an Entrecarder is getting more cards dropped on them than they can return drop due to enforced limits, time, energy, etc., then they will have to prioritize their drops. We now have a great tool (drops in last 30 days) to help us make those decisions.

I'm interested to know if the people who are for this have only one blog or more than 2 in the system.

I'm completely for it and I have one blog.

So you're not taking into consideration the fact that those who are dropping from public computers with static ips or those living in households with more than 1 entrecard participant will be affected in drastic ways.

I guess it really doesn't matter that someone has already proven that it's also extremely easy for the spammers to get around this new rule to drop more than 600ec each day.

I have 3 blogs, I sell credits, and I'm all for it. I even pushed for it. 2 people sharing the same IP can each drop 300. If 2 people each have 2 blogs, then one of them needs to get a job.

I have more than one blog and I'm ok with the new limits. After 3 months and 100000+ card drops, I'm at a point where I see card dropping as just one avenue for building traffic with Entrecard.

I wonder if Phirate has the ability to flag specific IPs and grant exceptions to legitimate bloggers who are willing to grind through 300 drops a day on more than 2 blogs? Turnip's seems to be focused on spammers, but there are a number of folks who have 2 or more blogs which they update with quality content on a regular basis. Of course, just like with other aspects of Entrecard, it could be that the focus is on generic one-blog-per-person-newer blogs and the A listers and multiple bloggers get marginalized.

Turnip, I think you're an awesome member of the Entrecard community. Nuf said.

Isn't a spammer able to continue by simply using multiple VPN accounts?

@Marcus,

"Spammers" would likely try all sorts of avenues to get around the limits. However, there a few folks who are legitimate bloggers who will see the limits as unreasonable.

I live in the same home as my daughter. She has two blogs and I have one. That will penalize her because I have one blog of my own to drop cards on. Yes I do take time to read some of the blogs that appeal to me.

@ Entrecarder I love your idea.

How rude, I have 1 blog on entrecard and my wife has 2, We both put alot of time and effort into promoting our sites, We are both in the top 3 in our categories. NOT IMPRESSED. And turnip (We both work)

No, my snide comments open the eyes of the 7000 blogs here showing only 3 complaints. Everyone has a sad story how 600 drops has negatively impacted their lives. Phirate already told people to message him if they feel their case is special. Between seeing how often people drop on your site and not being able to drop more than 600 a day, Entrecard is finally taking steps to clean itself up. If the spammers can't make a profit, they will leave. Plain and simple.

And so will honest people.

It might be that the system doesn't allow for customization for exceptions, and if that is that case then I would agree that the 600 IP limit is what's best for the community, even if it has some real negative impact on a percentage of Entrecarders. I ran a poll on one of my blogs (and I'm just now realizing that I didn't publish the results) that asked how many Entrecard accounts respondents had and as I recall nearly half had more than one. I've seen a number of folks in MyBlogLog and BlogCatalog that list multiple blogs.

Not everybody reads the forums you know. So more people may have complaints or they just don't know about it yet.

Honestly, I could care less about the credits. I just want my card showing up on 300 blogs inbox a day.

Good call, Honest people that are here for traffic, Not financial gain. When i joined entrecard the idea was to drop on cards to earn credits which could then be used for advertising/promoting your website.

If there was a system in place to approve blogs as accounts are created we wouldn't all be here worrying about the spammers in the first place.

1 hour and 30 minutes till next chat session. Please, join it for some real time discussion about the new and planned features.

http://www.i-tong.com/goto/entrecardfeatures

I'm getting the impression that the people posting on this thread aren't in India wringing their hands about this new limit, but instead are honest bloggers who WERE enthusiastic about driving traffic to their multiple blogs and now are disappointed. I submit that the number of complaints will increase as more and more Entrecarders feel the impact of this new 600 per IP limitation.

@entrecarder Agreed. Since there was no announcement of this change there are probably many many bloggers who don't even know it exists. The fact that it happened on a weekend means it's likely there are many more who won't discover the change until the beginning of the new week.

Phirate and Graham have responded reasonably in the past and I hope will continue to do so in the future. If, in fact, this new 600 per IP limit is not an issue to the majority of the community, then the rest who choose to remain here will just have to adjust. Besides, more changes are coming in the next couple of weeks that will make us forget about this one. Revamped ad pricing structure and maybe the Credit Exchange, to name two.

What others have said, Phirate or Graham will probably make exceptions for the people you are legit. The sites that copy a Wikipedia entry on koalas and then drop 300 cards are the ones that should be hurt, which I'm all for.

I just said this in another thread before I found this one.

Why not restrict this to new sites and lift the limit after a period of time? (not sure how long)

If there are known spammers in the system, why allow them to keep dropping ANY cards?

For the record, I am not dropping 300 per day at the moment but there's no reason this won't change in the future. My wife and I have 3 blogs between us. One of which is for our business. Plus we both have day jobs. So yes, we do work.

Wow. I just saw this.

We - me and my friend have 2 blogs on the system.

Between us we manage to drop at least 200 a day on each...most of the time 300. And we both work a full time job ;)

This limit will affect us soon because we have a third site that we were planning to put on entrecard.

I too would be willing to wait for approval if it would keep out the spam and get the limit lifted.

In am adding to the complaints! I have three legitimate accounts. i can't get 300 dropped on them every day... but weekends, like today, I am sitting here dropping. And I also do read many of the blogs I drop on.. and it takes me hours to get through them. It's more entertaining to me than watching TV!

My blogs have been around for years, too. I think it's awful people have spam blogs to collect ECs, but don't punish us legit people because of them, please!

Spammers are the ones that help out for any type of website that requires people to sign up. It has been proven before on bigger blogs, but you would have to search for that because I don't recall where I saw it.

The only person I know that agrees with me or well told me about it is Max from Sitehoppin. If you guys recalled, he owned a few of the BIGGEST StumbleUpon accounts. They were all done by bots and SU did not care because it BROUGHT traffic. They didn't care until Max wanted to sell the accounts and SU banned him instantly.

Just saying that a company like Entrecard would WANT spammers, but I'm just assuming that is why it was pulled so long until something is being done.

-Mike

I'm a bit annoyed with this new change. I have a blog on here and my mother has 2 blogs. We both do 300 drops on each blog a day. We do them by ourselves, we read the blogs, our sites are not the spammy sites that are created solely for page rank.

I can see why this was implemented but at the same time it is hindering all the people with multiple blogs or people with multiple people in their house.

In a month, my sister is moving back in and she uses Entrecard. So that is a total of 4 blogs which will only be able to drop 600 cards between us? I was also planning on using Entrecard for an up and coming blog I am in the process of making. This change to me, is unfair and I do view it as a punishment.

I think Entrecard needs to make up it's mind ... either you're going to support multiple blogs or not support them. Quality control is a separate issue. If people are creating splogs just to get points, the splogs need to be eliminated. I have 4 blogs and none of them are splogs. I don't have time to drop 300 cards per blog, but it appears that wouldn't be an option if I did.

As I stated in the thread in the other forum I'm disappointed in this change. This punishes legit bloggers. I think a screening process should be put in place for blog approvals and a time frame should be set for bloggers on posting as well. There is a large number of blogs here that haven't been updated in months, obviously gaming the system if they're not updating their blogs since say... last fall to last summer on some of them.

I was a moderator at Blogmad at one time and we deleted accounts if a blog hadn't been updated within a sixty day period. (Which was more than liberal and fair.)

I currently have 5 blogs listed here, and no I don't always have time to drop 300 cards a day on all of them, but on days off from work I don't think it's fair to restrict this if I choose to do so.

If the over all drop count is the issue why not limit the number of drops per blog to 150 - 200 instead? Then get to the root cause of the problem and put a approval/check system in place to delete spam and inactive accounts.

If you are dropping 1000 cards a day, you are not a legit blogger. You are farming credits. No human can legitimately say they read 1000 sites a day and be honest about it.

Dropping cards isn't blogging. It is playing the Entrecard game. Just because you can watch number go up doesn't mean your blog is successful.

Go create content instead of just dropping cards all day....

Entrecard is really encouraging some bad habits among some bloggers who become addicted to the cheap quick traffic increases they get.

I can't really believe that people are complaining for not being able to drop MORE than 600 per day.

Wow.... next thing you know you'll be told you're not a legit blogger unless you're posting daily too.

I maintain content just fine between all of my blogs. Jealous much?

Me jealous? of what? your site value? I've done the 300 drop thing. It isn't worth it. Entrecard site values are a MEANINGLESS statistic.

No one will ever become a so much as a C-list blogger if you think you can get there dropping cards.

If you have to spend hours per day dropping cards to get traffic, then they aren't coming for your content. That is all I'm saying.

There are legitimate uses for Entrecard, but many people think they have awesome blogs because they get reciprocal droppers to come to their site.

If every day you have to feed treats to people to come to your site, when they otherwise would never come, then you are wasting your time and deceiving your self.

Entrecard is a tool that has its uses, but there is a group of people who have gotten their only real traffic from Entrecard and think it is the only way to get traffic. It isn't.

You wind up with people claiming "entrecard addiciton" and worrying about being limited 600 drops per day.

....and daily updates don't hurt.

@Everything

I agree and disagree with what you said.

For an established blog dropping 300 a day is a waste of time. Entrecard traffic is like you said offering a treat (EC credit) for a visit. But for new blogs, entrecard is invaluable. New blogs need a way to gain exposure. For a new blog dropping 300 on every account is time well spent.

Also for established blogs, entercard offers the opportunity to expand their audience thru ads and more casual dropping for no cost.

It's good for everybody.

Plus you get to meet other bloggers. Like me ;)

Its not so much the fact that they have limited it to 600 drops per day but more that there maybe 1, 2 or more people living in the same house that share the same IP address. some of the remarks made here that are happy for the change are so selfish, Think about the genuine people, Dropping 300 a day doesn't mean your content is crap or that you don't comment on other sites. I personally put alot of time and effort into my blog aswell as reviewing other sites on Entrecard and other sites.

I agree with you 100%. That is why I think Entrecard has its use and a niche.

I think the moment you get your site to the top 20 in site value, you've gotten most of the value you are ever going to get from Entrecard.

I recommend Entrecard to people starting new blogs.

Dropping cards did help me. I don't deny that. But it doesn't really do anything for me anymore. The time spent dropping I can be doing other things.

If I want to take my site to the next level, I can't do that if I spend my time dropping cards. I need to work on link building, working on project with other websites, getting my podcast out the door, improve my photography and writing.

The new sites see the increase in traffic from Entercard and just keep plowing ahead doing the same thing that got them where are are. They have to switch gears find new ways to market, not just spend hours a day to get the same people to come to your site tomorrow.

I say 300 cards a day is too high of a limit already. I told Phirate this, but he told me in the chat room that some "COUPLES" own a blog each. I guess there are a few, but ONLY a few couples that both have a blog on EC. Reading a blog and dropping for a total of 300 should take a couple hours and that REALLY is a problem, but sometimes it may not be for some that has no work, no homework, and stays at home.

..or a script of course.

-Mike

I think the majority of people who blog and drop 300 a day and still manage to comment etc have a job, Not only does it cost for an internet connection but you also need electricity to power your computer or computers, These things cost money, So comments like that are a little unjust unless you know the people.

The real problem here isn't just the fact that we're complaining because we can only drop 600 cards a day. I admit there aren't many days when I do drop that many.

The real issue is those of us who share an IP with other entrecarders. This drastically limits the number of cards we can drop. Those using public computers might not even have a chance to drop cards that day because the limit has been used up by others.

But anyone who wants to sit here and try to tell those on this thread who do drop at least 600 cards a day that their blogs are crap because they spend so much time dropping should spend time actually looking at those blogs. I haven't seen 1 crap blog among those bloggers yet, and many of them are blogs I already visit on a daily basis.

I do spend hours a day dropping, but even when not dropping cards I spend hours a day reading blogs, commenting, spending time networking with other bloggers. Most of those I drop on were on my Daily Reads list months to years before Entrecard even existed.

My drops are not because I want my card to show up on so many a day. I do it to earn the credits so that I can afford to advertise on more expensive blogs. If someone is limited to 50-100 drops a day because they share an ip with other users, this is a disadvantage when it comes to buying advertising.

Either that person has to wait longer for their cards to build up, or they will have to spend out of pocket cash to buy entrecards. Who will profit from the sell? The single blog users who don't share an ip and the spammers who find ways around the limit. It will happen. We've already proven how.

I do understand what others are trying to say about people who live together and share IP. I myself have 2 computers at home, the other one is used by my kids but fortunately they don't blog so I have no problem with that but for those in an apartment or dorm or at work who share IP with other people who could also be bloggers and entrecard members, I see where you are coming from and maybe you can talk to PhiRatE about that.

Well, some may argue that if you are at work then you shouldn't be using company resources for personal stuff but unfortunately the reality is just that. Employees do that and we can't really police what they do with their lives.

I also agree that a screening process should be implemented for new members because that will screen out those blogs or sites made for spamming or farming.

Lastly, if Entrecard is really concern about credit farming then just remove credits from dropping. Those that are only concern with earning credits from dropping will leave the system.

Just my thoughts!

Edit: Added a link to a possible solution.

http://tinyurl.com/42xk33