I cant find John Cows widget on his site???

http://entrecard.com/forums/1/945/#p=30

It's still there; it's just below the fold.

just had another look

GONE!!!

http://www.johncow.com/they-are-killing-entrecard/

He took it off. There is a post pertaining to in on his blog right now. Looks like he is done. Basically it looks like he wanted the traffic but didn't want to participate in EC for it.

http://www.johncow.com/they-are-killing-entrecard/

However he does have a good point. The highest cost blog only has 12 Rss subscribers. Why spend 400 Ecreds when you can spend 282 for Chow's widget?

I still don't understand how it's killing entrecard. I might be missing something!

Well everyone is entitled to make their own mind. I don't think that Entrecard credit should be given based on RSS, PR or Alexa stats. It is just a trend that can increase and decrease. After all, you have to research that site if you want your ad there. I wonder when John Cow is coming back to Entrecard?

Ah, the fresh smell of forum drama.

I posted this as a comment: I wonder what it would do to the stats if you could only drop 25 - 50 cards per day instead of the 300. It would make you save your drops and only choose the ones that you really liked. This would be a better measure of popularity if people had to be choosy about who they dropped on.

one buck wiki is also missing??? whats the deal

Entrecard is the latest thing for people to put on their blogs, so it makes sense that the big blogs give it a shot.

But it seems like a couple of people signed up simply to quit at a later date so they have something to write about.

Different sites benefit from traffic in different ways. If that means a site decides to drop one of its widgets, then so be it. I just don't see how Entrecard can be declared dead so early in its life.

Entrecard works pretty well for me, and I'm not someone who is here all the time. So I'll continue using it.

Shoemoney dropped it pretty soon after he joined, no fanfare.

Onebuck Wiki looks to have dropped it, apart from swearing in posts no fanfare.

Problogger gets paid to use it...hmmm... how many others get paid?

Johncow seems to have gone out with a bang!

Any word on John Chows feelings? given his recent "most controversial blog" award, I am sure he will also go out with a bang, and take a bunch with him..

Mommy, this troll scares me...

PLEASE, LET THEM GO AND DON'T LOOK BACK... MORE FOR YOU, MORE FOR ME.

The ProBloggers forget that their success isn't so much due to what they've DONE but rather circumstance and the willing attention of their readers. They act as if they are powerful and their readers have no choice but to be their readers.

Cow doesn't understand how Entrecard can benefit him because his success is of the variety that didn't require him to have to think outside the box. He is like MISS South Carolina answering the question about MAPS and IRAQ.

The reason it is worth paying MORE to be on the blog of someone with 1/1000th the readers of John Chow is because it means, as some have said, that said person is working the system and will have more ACTIVE bloggers from Entrecard who see one another with mutual respect rather than "celebrity" envy.

Seriously folks, throw off the shackles and pay the probloggers no mind. Every once in a while they come out with something that sounds ok but for the most part its just a bunch of regurgitated bs you can find amongst your fellow Entrecard users who are more excited and more insipring than any of those probloggers.

I'll tell you a secret... my family's business sold 1 division for over $10M and the other divisions are still going strong and because of how I was raised, I still "rub elbows" with the everyday hard-working guy and gal ...

But the probloggers are like little kids who think their success makes them better than you... and it's just the other way around.

Start to LIVE that truth and let them go... for YOUR sake because I'll always be fine no matter what.

Sam

Hmmm...

Personally, I think Entrecard won't die.

It would be here to stay.

A very powerful networking tool, I say.

Regards,

Deimos Tel`Arin

Entrecard has just begun people. This is the first major bump we must pass. Did you really think Graham would launch this great new venture and it would be all rainbows and candy from that point forward? Nope. Every social community eventually weeds out the people who decide it is not right for them and leaves the bounty to the others. That's when Entrecard begins.

I left a comment on his thread. What do you guys think?

"No offense John Cow, but you’re not active in the Entrecard community. How could your opinion really matter if you don’t participate.I’ve never seen you post in the EC forums or even say hi to anyone there. You barely have a clue how it works. Sure, you’ve checked your stats and saw your bounce rate climb and sure you’ve been there a few times to place ads or approve them. But I honestly don’t think your involvement has gotten much further past that.

You say a “outside the community - where it matters if you’re looking for traffic.”

Inside the EC community there are currently 1700 bloggers. What is the most targeted way to get traffic? Google search results. How do you get good search results? Links to your site.. Who’s responsible for posting links to your site? BLOGGERS like you John Cow and the 1700 other bloggers in Entrecard and the million blogs that are all over the internet.

Your site is about making money online through blogging yet you are dropping 1700 targeted visitors that are hungry to make money online. You could show them but instead, you say goodbye.

Not a smart business move IMHO."

Sam you sound so ... frustrated. Anyway, you're giving us way too much credit as it is. We're no pro-bloggers, not matter how loud you're trying to preach it.

SEOrob, since we're all copying and pasting our blog comments, here's the reply:

SEORob, We started with the widget because we got paid for a review. Nearly every credit we ever received has been given back to active entrecards users. We never profited from them.

If you can compare 1700 blogs inside on entrecard to the 70,000,000 outside if it, we're starting to wonder if your name should be SEO rob.

And we're not dropping 1700 readers, we're dropping the entrecard system. If the users don't want to come here anymore because we did that, they were never really interested in us in the first place.

Wow, he speaks. LOL.

Been speaking for awhile now Rob, have a look in the forums.

He has been Cow Tipping lol !!

I always wondered what was in it for the A-list blogs. Are they doing us a favor to be nice or are there corners of the globe they haven't reached yet? ;)

I don't think the huge 200+ credit ads can sustain themselves - especially with the shops and the influx of newer blogs. The top 3 in each category are starting not to sell out anymore.

little psychic tarot-wielding gothic b*tch got mobbed. but i held my own nyahaha.... XD

http://evilwoobie.com/2008/01/13/the-cow-doesnt-like-getting-passed..

@Mr. cow

I did not misunderstand your intention. I'm just dismayed.

Woobies wobble but they don't fall down.

turnips turn but they dont turn black XD

What did SlamBlogger tell you? This will start to happen with the bigger blogs. One by one, they'll all drop out because it's too much work to get anything from Entrecard. Note: It's too hard for the "popular bloggers" because they don't do anything. Sure, they write a post everynow and then, and some of them are actually good. I would much rather reach John Cow than John Chow. But, the bigger blogs will go first, then the ones under them. At some point EC credits will start being sold, and thats when spammers get smart, and EC will be overrun with Spam. Everybody else will leave and EC will die. I tried to tell you all, but you just had to stick to your opinions.

Wonder what kind of dumb responses I'll get to this forum post... <EG>

My latest post is rather interesting, if you want to give it a read, oh, and there's an open spot on my widget, but if you haven't dropped your card, I won't approve you. :) Have fun kids....

but it's not dead yet so don't help killing it

Sell Sell Sell...

Dont worry, it wont die.. Sam will come up with another scheme to ride Grahams coat tails and all will be forgotten...until the next time.. hahaha.. sorry sam, no offense but you know the game all too well....

1700 bloggers on the wall 1700 bloggers on the wall..if one of those bloggers should happen to fall, there'll be 1699 bloggers left on the wall...

Don't worry, Woobie. Not one person can make Entrecard die. It has to be a group effort.

And be happy with what you get out of it. New friends, subscribers and a variety of interesting blogs to read. I think that's great regardless of the future of Entrecard.

@SlamBlogger - why would people take a shot at you? You didn't name anyone in particular and if your post is thoughtful and provocative, I would actually defend your right to say it. We NEED more inquiry into the unintended consequences that come with a fast flurry of success.

Your synopsis is valid and quite possible... but I wouldn't be concerned about it just yet. There's too much buzz and too many people who really ARE quite happy with having something when the RULE is that most bloggers are accustomed to NOTHING.

@JohnCow -

Sam you sound so ... frustrated. Anyway, you're giving us way too much credit as it is. We're no pro-bloggers, not matter how loud you're trying to preach it.

Alright, let me cut your steak into smaller pieces for ya - pun intended: by pro-blogger, I don't mean whatever you thought I meant. Didn't you say you were paid for a review? How many other users do you think were PAID in a similar manner? So whatever I meant by it, I meant YOU.

Am I frustrated? A tad. Having to see these conversations going on and on and on gets me a little excited and my net is only so big so I'm a little frustrated that my net isn't as wide as it could be.

SEORob, If you can compare 1700 blogs inside on entrecard to the 70,000,000 outside if it, we're starting to wonder if your name should be SEO rob.

Multiple personalities notwithstanding, SEOROB is a leg up on you. Because 1700 HUNGRY targeted bloggers, actively pursuing greater knowledge in both their field AND in increasing the benefits of their online endeavors, all in one big, friendly BARREL, are WAYYYYY more valuable than 70,000,000 on the outside.

After all, being a cow, how could you not know that "one in the hand is worth two in the bush?"

Here we are collected, conditioned and ripe... and if you think chasing 70,000,000 free-roaming bison with a milk can is easer than just serving up some nice juicy hay to a bunch of corraled, hungry livestock, we're starting to wonder if your last name should be Cow.

And we're not dropping 1700 readers, we're dropping the entrecard system. If the users don't want to come here anymore because we did that, they were never really interested in us in the first place.

That's wonderful - you fail to understand how to work a captured audience so you write it off as if they never liked you to start with. That's like blaming the gold in a river for not leaping into your pan.

So... can we still be friends? Moooooo...

Sam

Just a thought - why doesn't John Cow give Entrecard another shot, but ask his subscribers to sign up too? That way, they'll drop their cards on his blog and his advertising price will go up, and Entrecard will gain more users in the process.

Otherwise, it seems like saying "don't use it because I say so", rather than because you actually put in the time to give the system a proper evaluation.

I get very little out of MyBlogLog and BlogCatalog but I don't put in the time, so is it right for me to complain? On the other hand, I get a lot more out of Entrecard because I DO put in the time. It's not a coincidence. You get out what you put in.

Most of you are missing the point. EntreCard isn't about being popular- it's about finding blogs and new readers. It's called networking-which could work if some of you actually took the time to step outside of your niche and interact with others. To say "popular" bloggers don't participate is a little off the mark. I was a "popular" blogger until people began using the EC system as a way to hold credits for ransom by forcing people to drop cards non-stop without actually READING a blog. I do my own thing. I am picky when it comes to which blogs I drop my cards on but as far as allowing someone to advertise on my blog I have yet to reject anyone. This is supposed to benefit all bloggers, not exclude-which is what it's coming to. How would you like it if you were a new blogger, you signed up for EC thinking you had a chance to advertise on the "popular" blogs only to see you would have to spend 400+ credits? The cycle begins and the chain dropping sends the bounce rate on your blog off the map. Look beyond your own blog because without the readers who find it- you would have nothing.

These guys thrive on controversy.

@girlgeek If finding new blogs is all you care about, there are plenty of networking systems out there where you can do that without Entrecard. MyBlogLog, BlogCatalog, and dozens of ranking sites. I'm sure everyone here is on all those as well.

I'm not dumping EC because there is zero cost to having a card on my site, but the system needs fixing.

I have published 5 ways to fix Entrecard on my other blog.

http://gary.arndt.com/wordpress/2008/01/13/5-ways-to-fix-entrecard..

@Everything Everywhere- Exactly why are you using EntreCard? Finding new blogs and having other blogs find you is the ENTIRE CONCEPT behind EntreCard. Do you think the system is designed just for traffic and credits? Sure, I receive traffic, but what good is traffic other than for statistical purposes? What about your bounce rate from those who just stick around long enough to drop a card? It's the people who come back after finding your blog who matter. Not how many cards you can drop or receive in a day.